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Snitches, Wires, and Federal Cases: Gerald Johnson's Untold Story

Elliott Carterr Season 2 Episode 13

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From the streets of Stapleton to the cells of MDC Brooklyn, this gripping conversation with Spree Johnson peels back layers of betrayal within Staten Island's underworld. With unflinching candor, Spree recounts his 2002 encounter with Enver Mehmeti, a white associate dating his cousin who would ultimately become the government's key informant in a sprawling federal case.

The warning signs were there—police referring to Enver as a "confidential informant" after a shooting, suspicious court appearances, and federal agents delivering ominous messages about hitmen targeting Spree. Yet the full scope of the betrayal only became clear when Spree found himself federally indicted alongside dozens of others from his neighborhood.

What unfolds is a masterclass in street politics and federal tactics. Spree meticulously deconstructs how Enver wore a wire, setting up meetings and recording conversations that would form the backbone of multiple indictments. The revelations shattered community bonds, with many refusing to believe the evidence even when confronted with paperwork proving cooperation.

Most compelling is Spree's emotional reckoning with those who allegedly flipped—particularly PJ, whom he accuses of cooperating while maintaining a facade of street loyalty. The raw anger in his voice speaks volumes about the psychological toll of betrayal in environments where trust is currency and reputation is everything.

This conversation isn't just about crime and punishment; it's about the human cost of federal prosecution strategies that turn community members against each other, creating wounds that never fully heal. Whether you're fascinated by true crime, urban sociology, or the mechanics of federal cases, Spree's testimony offers rare, unfiltered insight into a world few truly understand.

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Speaker 1:

What's the word? We report live from the gutter with your boy Elliot Carter Form on the line with it.

Speaker 2:

Yo, this is Spring. From Staten Island man. Staten's his finest man. Shout out to London. Shout out to Bebo, shout out to Mushy Un. Brian Hornet, cal Ray Ray, the whole team Stapleton. You already know what it is.

Speaker 1:

Alright, talk to me. I'm getting all these messages on my podcast, my fan mail. You know you wilding PJ out. Talk to me what you got going on with PJ.

Speaker 2:

Alright, listen, let me explain something to you. Alright. So what happened was? Everybody know my name is Spree, dutch was my older brother. They got murdered or whatever the case may be. Some big ass they can kill them or whatever. But we grew up in stapleson, 75, hill street, palmer. Father. Everybody know my pops, big jerry g. Everybody know my mom's able or whatever the case may be. So it's me dutch phone rome, cecil Father, old Boy, whatever you want to call him, warren, all of us. So, like Larry, little Larry, that snitch ass bitch, mia, like we all from Staples Hill, my cousin Junebug, he got killed. The nigga Eshaw killed him allegedly. But like we all from Staples Hill, everybody knows like we was born and raised out there. So, long story short, what happened was the nigga Ember was wearing a wire and he snitched on niggas and got niggas locked up.

Speaker 1:

When you say Ember was wearing a wire, what instance are you talking about? When was this? Where was he wearing a wire? Who was he talking to?

Speaker 2:

Okay. So what happened? Was this right? The nigga SI just came home. Si was locked up like eight years s. I came home 2002, july, june, 2002. Some from was brighton. I'm not sure who, exactly what it was, but I believe it was peanutting in them. Peanut in them. I'm not 100, no, because I don't really know them dudes like that. I I just know them by face, you're talking about Peanut the Rat.

Speaker 2:

Yes, apparently we was over at 693 Henderson Avenue or whatever the case may be. I had the black suburban and niggas bust some shots at the car and his windshield got shot out. The side mirrors got shot out. I don't really know these dudes like that. I don't know them. I'm from Stapleton. I never really hung out with Brandon. If you wasn't from Stapleton you'd be right in the park hill. I mean, I didn't really know dudes like that, so I just knew who I knew by face La Nautica, capadonna, lounger, dupree, hatchie, niggas from Stapleton. Hexy, niggas From Staples. Big Noid, fucking um Drama.

Speaker 1:

Brother, brother, pardon me, I don't mean to cut you off, but you keep going in and out, like your volume keeps raising and lowering.

Speaker 2:

Oh, not my fault, that's my phone. I gotta pull it back in front of me. But um, so yeah, so I didn't really know them. Do some West Brighton like that. That really wasn't my area of Forte. So long story short. Um, know them. Do some West Brighton like that. That really wasn't my area of forte. So long story short. Some niggas had tried to kill me and the nigga Ember.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

And we pulled up in the suburban. This was in 2002. It was like the last week of May, the first week of June.

Speaker 1:

So you was fucking with Ember at this point. Did you know he was a rat or no?

Speaker 2:

No, I did not know. I had no idea. All I know I came home from jail because what happened was I got locked up, me and my brother Cecil. We got locked up at Stapleton January, new Year's Eve 2001. They locked us up for shooting at the police years eve 2001. They locked us up for shooting at the police, so we got locked up, the case got dismissed.

Speaker 1:

We was both on parole so I went to the. So you got locked up for shooting at police while you was on parole and the case got dismissed yes, but but the whole thing was we wasn't shooting at the police.

Speaker 2:

They lied and said that we were shooting at them because we was at 29 warren and, um, niggas were shooting guns off the balcony. Somebody else was shooting at the police, but it wasn't us. So when the police came in front of the building, everybody started running and, um, I told him, throw the hammer down the uh, the trash chute where the garbage goes. He didn't throw the shit down there. So when we came out the building he took off running. The police started chasing him. I ran over there and started swinging on the police. So we get locked up, or whatever the case may be. So we both go to the beacon. We was in the beacon with the nigga big ben. I copped out the 45 days for obstructing government administration. My brother's case got dismissed so I only had like four months left on parole. I was getting off parole April 25th 2002. I believe that was on a Thursday. So I pled guilty to 45 days. They violated my parole. I went to the sixth building and then I went to C-95. My brother stood in the beacon until his case got dismissed and then he went back to downstate and then they released him. So after all this happened, or whatever the case may be, so I get out in April.

Speaker 2:

My cousin, mia Larry's love sister, she's out there fucking with this white dude named Ember. I don't really know him, but I heard about him Because supposedly he killed Ricky Dale back in the days allegedly, and he was running around cloud-shapes and saying that he did that shit. So I wasn't really even fucking with him to begin with. So long story short I wound up getting arrested and I wound up doing five years down the line. But the day when I ran into him I actually wound up shooting at somebody.

Speaker 2:

And then I ran into him like two minutes after the shoot happened and I jumped in his car. He just happened to be driving by, so I didn't, I didn't know him, but I knew him, vice versa. So then he starts coming around with my cousin and she's like oh yeah, this is my boyfriend, this that and the third. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, whatever, whatever the case may be. So long story short. We go over to the crib one night some niggas was hiding over there by the bushes and come to find out it was the nigga who wound up shooting the nigga 50 cent. The rapper oh the nigga that hit him nine times.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it was one of wound up shooting the 50 cent the rapper, oh the that hit him nine times yes, it was one of his homies who did that. Some name kp and he was doing a drill on staten island he.

Speaker 2:

He was out, he was living up there in 280 park hill. He was messing with some light skinned girl I forgot her name, but he was out there in park hill. He was on the run from the fed, the atf, and he told me he was on the run from the at the ATF. And he told me he was on the run from the ATF but I thought the nigga was lying. So come to find out he was beefing with the nigga Enver, because Enver wound up threatening him. And a couple days later they was over there hiding behind 693 Henderson Avenue because there's like a little lot right there. They was back there hiding in the bushes. So the niggas came out and we pulled up in the car. It was like 1.30 in the morning. I just seen a big-ass handgun pointed at my face and the nigga pulled the trigger. And when I moved my hand in front of my face the window blew out and niggas just start letting off like maybe I don't know 10, 11 shots.

Speaker 2:

The nigga, edward, threw the car in reverse the in reverse the black suburban and he put the in drop and he sped off. They chased us from henderson all the way to saint vincent's hospital. Emma jumped out the car, I jumped in the driver's seat and sped off. So when all this happened, the police called my phone. About like 20 minutes later it was yeah, um, the confidential informant we shot and we're just trying to figure out who has this car. And I'm like confidential informant, like what the fuck are you talking about? So I thought this was like some type of prank. So I said no, I got his car. This is Spree Johnson, such and such, such and such. They told me to drive the car to the hospital. And I got to the hospital, the police, they locked me up.

Speaker 1:

So my question to you. Just hearing that, why would you drive the car to the hospital if the police just said that I would have never did anything that they asked me to do?

Speaker 2:

yes, I understand that. But my whole thing was this I didn't want them to think I had something to do with it. And not only that, when they were talking to me, ember was in the background telling me to bring the car to the hospital. See what I'm saying. He was like yo, spree, it's the police, bring the car to the hospital. So I drove over to the hospital, got out the car, they locked me up, they put me in the lineup. Ember came down there to the precinct, to the 120 precinct, and ember said nah, that wasn't him. So then they released me.

Speaker 2:

So what happened was when all that happened and whatever the case may be. So we were still hanging over there at 692 henderson avenue, ember, mia selling drugs out the crib. I wasn't selling no drugs. Anybody that know me know I'm a robber. Yeah, I was running around snatching niggas, chains, doing stupid shit or whatever the case may be. I was never really into that drug dealing shit. That wasn't my thing.

Speaker 2:

So we come out the crib one day. Si just came home. I believe SI came home June 8th, 2002 or June 18th. He wasn't even home like a week when all this can happen. So we come out the crib one day we see some black dudes in front of the crib. So we didn't know who they was. We thought they was the ops. So the nigga SI One got some hammers from that red ass nigga Junie From New Bryant Everybody know Junie Wally shot him back in the days. Junie snitched on the nigga. So, long story short, si Wayne got some hammers, or whatever the case may be, unbeknownst to me. I didn't know nothing about this. I just came over there. Ember calls me. He's like yo because Ember was selling like, basically coke. So he's just like yo. I need some crack. I got some beans. They want some shit. I went over there I gave that nigga the pack, not saying that he was hustling, but I just gave it to him to get rid of it. Who.

Speaker 2:

Ember, yes Ember.

Speaker 1:

So once you got released from the precinct, did you put niggas on that Ember was a rat because the police called you and said he was a confidential informant. Like did you blow that up?

Speaker 2:

Yes, I blew it up and I said something to Enver about it. I said, enver, why would you have the police call my phone? He said no, I told them that you was with me, so I didn't tell on you. But they wanted to know where the call was because they were trying to retrieve the ballistic evidence. So that's how I looked at it. I didn't really pay it no mind. It flew over my head. I'm thinking he's a solid dude, so this is like out of the norm. I didn't think enough of that at first.

Speaker 1:

So after that was you still fucking with him.

Speaker 2:

No, from the fall I was not fucking with him like that. Every now and then I would see him, I would come around, but I kept it moving. So what happened was he called me one day. He said that he needed some work because I know he was doing his thing with the coke or whatever the case may be. So he basically said that he had some fiends that needed some crack. So I went over there. I had like $300 worth of work on me and I gave it to him. I had them in 1212As and a plastic bag with an apple on it that came with them. Everybody used to cop the bags from Rosebank and Staples. So I gave them this shit. So I'm like yo, hey, don't worry about it, just take it, whatever. Whatever, just give me my money. So I was over there hanging out with them in the crib and I wound up falling asleep and then next thing, you know, the fucking police come bust the door down. So come, bust the door down. So next thing, you know, it was like six o'clock in the morning, the police came bust the door down. They lock everybody up. Si's in the room with that bitch, arlene. He got caught with the two hammers ember and me got caught with like 120 grams of coke. They got locked up. I didn't have shit on me. They locked me up and they locked some other bitch up that was in the room with me.

Speaker 2:

So we all go to court, everybody gets out of, whatever the case may be. Well, amber didn't get out. He went to Brooklyn house. I went to Brooklyn house, si went to Brooklyn house. So SI bail was 50,000. Amber bail, I think, was like 10,000 or some shit like that and they gave me a thousand dollar bail. So my brothers wound up getting me out the next day when I went to Brooklyn House. I called him. The next day I got out.

Speaker 2:

So, um, long story short, or whatever case may be. So when we in court, nigga, si, the police coming in and they like, oh you, just you've been indicted. So they indicted him for those guns. And then the ESU niggas came and got him from Brooklyn House. Okay, so yeah, because I don't even know about that whole shit about the predicate felon shit about him cutting people I heard about it Cause I know some niggas that he shot a front on and whatever the case may be, but I wasn't paying that shit, no, mom, like a nigga far removed from that jail shit. So long story short, he gets locked up. He goes to fucking NIC. We go up there and visit him. We got locked up that Thursday. I got up Friday. That Saturday we went up there to go see him. He got bailed out that Monday before he went back to court. So long story short, niggas get locked up.

Speaker 2:

So couple months about like a month and a half down the line or whatever the case may be, the nigga Eno sitting there saying some shit to si about some bitch. I was fucking with some little hoe ass bitch named toya. So what happened was we was in port richmond. The nigga si came over there with the nigga envo. Nigga si's talking shit, talking about all about, about homegirl. I'm like, listen, I don't got nothing to do with that. And whoever you think is telling me that bitch is not telling me you nigga, and she was telling on you. I wouldn't be fucking with her, point blank. So sr was running his mouth. My brother, tone bone, came over there, snuffed the nigga sr, dropped him straight, drugged him, knocked his ass out clean and cold and and you can ask anybody, you can even ask fucking Smoke, show him with it. He locked up right now for clapping the nigga in Stapleton. He got eight and a half. He's been in for a minute now.

Speaker 2:

So anyhow, them niggas come running over there with the hammers. I got up, I got up off the bike and I threw the bike at the nigga SI. Nigga swung the razor at me. I weaved the shit me and the nigga start getting it on. He like, oh chill, the police coming, the police coming. The nigga si tried to run. We started chasing him and that's when my dead brother dutch. We started chasing him and we's beating the shit out this nigga, the nigga trying to run. He swung his arm. I didn't even realize the nigga cut me. He just kept saying, oh yo, the police coming, the police coming, the police, police coming, the police coming, or whatever the case may be. And then when I realized the nigga cut me, I'm like yo, nigga's going to kill this nigga. The nigga smoke, came around the corner with the hammer, started busting shots. The niggas was gone, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2:

So now, after that shit happened, my cousin Mia, playing both sides of the fence like oh, telling me, oh yeah, that nigga. I saw he had it at his mom's house at 80 Greenleaf Street. But meanwhile and they get embers giving the nigga outside of him and walk around with, or whatever the case may be. So, long story short, the nigga get locked up by the feds. Now he beat up all in and, like October 2002, um, she got him locked up for punching her in the face. And when he got arrested, the ACF, they had a warrant for him and the police told him in the precinct oh yeah, oh well, the fed's been looking for you. They locked the up. So now he get locked up, or whatever the case may be.

Speaker 2:

And then the atf came to my mom's house. It was two federal agents. They came to my mom's house. This was like november 2002, the end of oct, it was about early November. So my mom's answered the door and she's like how may I help you? They're like yeah, we're looking for Gerald Johnson. She's like well, he don't live here. They said oh listen, we got information that Ember and SI got a hit out on your son.

Speaker 1:

And they're talking about you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they were talking about me.

Speaker 1:

Why would Emver have a hit out on you? I thought you and Enver was good.

Speaker 2:

This is what I'm saying. It didn't make no sense. Enver was already in MDC Brooklyn. Si was in MDC Brooklyn. I didn't have no static with Enver. I didn't fuck with him, no more, but I stood away from him. So basically, what happened was this so when they came to my mom's house that day, they gave her a subpoena. They said listen, um, your son has to come to, uh, 275 Cadman Plaza East. Um, he has a subpoena for the grand jury. We're trying to lock these guys up. We know that SI cut him. It's a $10,000 hit on him and we want him to cooperate. We know he's looking at five years right now for armed robbery and if he wants to cooperate with us, he won't go to jail. We'll get him out of that sentence. And I told him I'm not doing that shit, Point fucking blank, or whatever the case may be. I said I'm not doing that because I didn't know shit to begin with. I wasn't fucking with SI like that. So To begin with I wasn't fucking with SI like that.

Speaker 1:

So they said you had. You had what? That? What was you wanted for that? You was going to get five years for.

Speaker 2:

So what happened was I was on bail for armed robbery.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

So and I didn't even do nothing. So a nigga that I know was beefing with some other dude unbeknownst to me he calls me. I come over there, I hit the nigga in the head with the hammer and I shot at the dude. Somebody snatched the nigga's chain. I didn't get nothing from that robbery. I didn't even know they took the nigga's chain. The police came back the next day with the dude to the dude's house that robbed him. And first they came without the police and told the nigga to come outside and shoot the fan one. He didn't come outside, so they called the police. The fan one. He didn't come outside, so they called the police. So eventually the police locked the dude up. He gets locked up, he tells on me.

Speaker 2:

So one day I'm walking around one of my minutes, the police jump out on me asking me for id. I'm like for what? I told them my name. They're like oh, your name is not, uh, gerald ashton, your name is gerald johnston. I know my name is gerald ashton. So they're like oh well, you want to fall on robbery. I want them fighting with the police. They fuck me up. They jump me, punch me, kick me, all that shit and whatever. They lock me up. So I go to court. I get locked up, get remanded, get bailed out. My bail was $25,000 and I got on an $8,500 bond with three signatures. So now I got indicted for the case eventually because Enver got me a lawyer that was one of his lawyers, but the lawyer was working with the fucking DA the whole time, unbeknownst to me. I didn't know nothing about this because I know, technically, when you go to court three times and they don't have a case against you, the case has to get dismissed with prejudice.

Speaker 1:

And I already know because Enver got you that lawyer after you already knew he was a rat.

Speaker 2:

No, this was before that. Oh, okay, this was before All this other shit started coming out after the fact, and this is why I stood away from him. Okay, and then the lawyer was telling me oh, you got to give me some money. I'm like I'm not giving you nothing. So what the lawyer did was well, I'm not going to be able to represent you if you're not going to pay me. I said, okay, no fucking problem, because I know I was was going to jail anyway. So my whole thing was just like whatever. They offered me eight years and they came back. They offered me five years. So I was out on bail and I said fuck it, I'm going to take this shit to trial and dude's going to have to come to court. And then I'm just going to pick up and I'm going to skip town, and then they're going to have to found me guilty and absentee.

Speaker 2:

So you ended up doing that five I want to do in five years. So what happened was I was out on bail. I want to shoot with some crit nigga named hostile from new brain, but he used to be in Port Richmond. Um, I saw McGee. His uncle was mr McGee from ps4, from is 49 back in the day. The loose short midget nigga okay.

Speaker 2:

So I got to some shit with him. I want him shooting a nigga and he told on me. We got to a big-ass shootout on broad daylight. It was like 3 o'clock in the afternoon. It was January 31st 2002. This was on Friday and it was raining outside and I remember that day Claire's Day Two days before that, me and him was arguing. I smacked the nigga and he ran. He came back with some crip nigga named dave from flatbush and pulled out the 44. Had a big ass 44. He pulled that out on me and I didn't even have a gun on me. I had my knees in my arm and I bluffed him like I had a gun. He jumped in the car and ran off. Then I ran in the crib and grabbed a gun, or whatever the case may be. So when I ran down on castleton avenue I was going to start blowing at the niggas but it was mad traffic and I didn't want to shoot no innocent bystander, so I left it alone. The came back two days later and then we want to get into a big bang out and I shot him. I didn't even know I shot him because he was with the dude dave and three other crit niggas it was two, it was two other dudes in the bench. So we got to a big ass shootout on maple avenue, port richmond, when that bar was on the corner, the block block, the next block down from Port Richmond Avenue, yeah, so we wound up getting into a shootout. The nigga grabbed onto the car door. I had a non-ruler. I bust like 15 shots at the nigga. I didn't even know I shot the nigga. He was holding onto the car door and I was running behind the nigga shooting at the nigga. So he got shot. He went to the hospital in Brooklyn shot. He went to the hospital in Brooklyn. He told officer Brown and officer Gershon same ones who killed our case.

Speaker 2:

So the next morning they came to my mom's house looking at me, they tried to knock the door down and all this other shit or whatever to arrest me. So I had a warrant for my arrest and, mind you, I was already on bail for that robbery. So I was supposed to go back to court February 8th 2002 for that robbery. I believe it was a Monday, wednesday. I didn't go to court because I knew they was going to be there to arrest me. So, long story short, the nigga Edwards locked up at MDC.

Speaker 2:

So what happened was when all this shit went down, they gave my mother the subpoena. They told me I had to come down to answer the subpoena so they was going to issue a warrant for my arrest. So I went down there, I went down there, I went down there. I seen only george, which was s os girl, that rat bitch, and I seen that nigga, junie, that rat ass nigga also. So when I'm on the escalator going upstairs, they coming down the escalator. That shit was just like that movie pride and glory, when the nigga shot that nigga in the bathroom and the cop and norton was going up the steps and the other two niggas was coming down looking at him. It was just like that. The niggas were staring at me.

Speaker 2:

So I went upstairs. There was some lawyer there and I say, oh listen, my name is Gerald Johnson, the ATF. They came to my mother's house such and such, such and such. This is the subpoena they gave me. They told me I had to come here for a grand jury. But it wasn't no grand jury, it was the USs attorney. Her name was colleen cavanaugh.

Speaker 2:

So he was like um, yeah, um, uh, willie smith and only george just left. They want to talk to you. Do you have anything to say to them? I said, listen, I don't got nothing to say to them. I don't know nothing about nothing. This, that and the third when we was in the house that day when that got raided, whatever happened happened. I didn't have nothing on me that had nothing to do with me. They called me into the room, the us attorney's in there, and she's like oh um, we're asking questions about emblem of many and such and such. I said, listen, I don't know nothing about nothing. She said you sure? I said I don't know nothing. She said you can leave.

Speaker 2:

So what they turned around and did was they let ember back out on the street to set us up because I didn't want to tell on him. So he signed the proper agreement and then come and find out emma got locked up in 1998 for selling some guns with his father and told on his father. So all this came out after the fact. So they wound up letting the emma out and emma was wearing a wire and my cousin Mia knew Ember was wearing a wire because when we got locked up and you can ask anybody, even that rat ass, nigga, pj, if you can even get in touch with him. Everybody heard the discovery. She was telling Ember to cover the wire over his peacoat. So PJ was well aware that Ember was telling. So now I'm going up north. I went to downstate May 15th.

Speaker 1:

So Ember ended up wearing a wire on you.

Speaker 2:

Yes, he wore a wire on me, my brother Tomo, my brother Jerome, my fucking brother Cecil Right.

Speaker 1:

By the time he got to the wire, by the time he was wearing a wire on you, you was already well aware that he was a rat right Because the police called your phone and told you he was an informant.

Speaker 2:

No so listen, he was a rat right, because the police called your phone and told you he was an informant. No so listen. So when the police called my phone that day, enver was in the background saying just bring the car, bring the car back to the hospital. They want the car, bring the car back to the hospital. So basically I was under the impression that Enver was trying to claim me because they was telling Enver. Once Enver told them he was with me, they said well, why is a white dude hanging with a black dude? So they were trying to tell Enver to say it was me who did something. So in hindsight Enver was trying to clear me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, I get that. But the police still said that he was a confidential informant because they said you was with Enver a confidential informant when he got shot, right?

Speaker 2:

Yes, but my whole thing is this Enver was on the phone saying yo they're lying. My whole thing is just Ember was on the phone saying yo they're lying.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I get you, I get you, I get you. But once police said he was a confidential informant, you should have I felt like, I just feel like you should have handled him like that. Like I feel like he should have never had the opportunity to record you.

Speaker 2:

Listen, I understand what you're saying, but everybody knows how the why PD play. They can sit there and say yo, the nigga Elliot said this, that and the third. So that was my whole thing. I felt like the police was lying. My loyalty to him at that time was blinded. So my thing was I got locked up, I got bailed out. I didn't think he would do some shit like that.

Speaker 1:

Alright, now you just clarified it. You said you didn't believe him.

Speaker 2:

No, I didn't believe him Because we all know the police say you know Elliot Spree said you shot this dude.

Speaker 1:

Nah, yeah, I get that. I get that. I get your perspective. So now I have a better understanding now.

Speaker 2:

That was the whole thing. So my guard was down the whole time. So when he got out from MDC Brooklyn and there was a nigga named D-Rock from Queens, I was locked up. I was in the 4th building with him. 95, 96, 97.

Speaker 2:

Every time I went to the Allen, d-rock was there. D-rock. I seen the nigga. One day he rides by the crib. He like yo, that nigga. Enver said what up, I'm like Enver, I'm like nigga, you was in the feds. He like yeah, yeah, I just got out. I just looked at the nigga and spent off. So my whole thing was I don't know nothing about the feds. I've always been in this state. Nigga get locked up. Nigga go on the Allen. Nigga go to Austin County. Nigga go to downstate. Nigga want the green, nigga want the Kassaki. Nigga want the Wyoming, nigga want the Attica, whatever. I don't know nothing about none of that shit. So what happened was Ember gets out, he sparks up a deal with the fucking US attorneys to set us up and he tried to set the nigga London up. Who? Ember? Yes, and I'm going to get to that. And this is on my dead brother, Dutch, and you can ask anybody. And even in the fucking paperwork. I swear to God, big Den and PJ knew Ember was right and I showed them the paperwork.

Speaker 1:

How did he try to set London up?

Speaker 2:

Okay. So listen, this is what happened. So long story short. While I'm shooting the crypt, dude, right. So the police were looking for me. They come to my mom's house, that nigga text from Stapleton comes out to Fort Richmond. He said, yo, what the fuck happened? I heard there was a big-ass bang out out here. I'm like how the fuck did you hear about that? So he was like oh, niggas was talking about that or whatever. So the ember and a me it calls me 10 minutes after the shootout asking me what happened. I have no idea that they're working with the feds. I told em what happened. I told me what happened. This is my cousin. I'm not thinking she's going to do some like this. So I told her what happened, or whatever the case may be, next day the police come looking for me. So now I'm on a run ember calls me. He's like yo, he was living out there in new york. He was living in new york and he said, yo, just come over here, you can hide out, or whatever the case would be. I'm like, all right, cool, I'll go over there and hot out. So that was that saturday. That sunday I'm in the crib with this. This had a y on the whole time. I had no idea, so the feds already knew I was over there. I gave that a black 380, a tourist, and I gave that a 357, the model 686. It was all chrome with the brown handle. I gave the to the. I sold it to my. So your hand, take this. He gave the to the feds, they gave me 1900 everyone outside and gave them the guns and came back in with the money and gave me the money and I got indicted for that. That was counter on indictment, criminal possession of sales of a weapon. But my whole thing was I didn't know he was under indictment. So that that count right there. I guess we got dismissed.

Speaker 2:

So long story short, I'm trying to get out of town. I went down to North Carolina but before I went to North Carolina he's on the phone with London. I'm sitting in the living room. He's like yo, london's about to come over here. I need you to hide in the closet. So I'm like hide in the closet. What the fuck is he talking about? I don't got no beef with London. London ain't even doing nothing to me. London is people. He said nah, I just don't want him to know that you're over here. So when you and I swear to God, you can even ask London and this is for my dead brother when you first walk in the crib there was a double closet that opens up and folds out. I was hiding right there in that closet when London came in the crib. He was trying to buy a check now off of London for $600 to get to the feds.

Speaker 2:

And when London came over there, london must have knew something was up, because London was like yo, I don't know what you're talking about, I don't got no hammer, and the nigga London left. So he tried to set the nigga London up and you can ask London. That's where they go. You can write him. If he call you, you can ask him. He'll tell you. This is on a Sunday and it was cloudy outside that day and it was light rain. London will tell you. London went over there and that shit was on the wire tap. Nigga. Big Dan heard the wire tap, pj heard the wire tap because we all got arrested Me, my brothers, pj, otis, all of us. They locked up like 30 of us for two separate indictments. Everybody got the same discovery and then, when the nigga asked how I went to trial, I went to court that Friday to get rid of my lawyer and I ran into the nigga.

Speaker 2:

SI London was a part of that indictment huh. London was a part of that indictment nah, london wasn't a part of that indictment.

Speaker 2:

No, london had nothing to do with none of this. London was already locked up. I was up north of Wyoming when London got locked up. I seen that shit in the Daily Newspaper. They locked him up and they locked people up. I seen that shit in the newspaper and everybody know when you up north, when you go to the law library, the Daily News and the New York Post it comes three, four days after.

Speaker 2:

And I was reading this shit in the paper and I'm like, what the fuck is this? So when I called home, niggas were saying, oh, they're saying so-and-so. And this time the third happened to listen to me bop-de-bop, bop-de-bop. I'm like, wow, that's crazy. And then, next thing, you know, a couple of days later well, not a couple of days later, that was like maybe two, three months later some other nigga from Brooklyn that I knew he used to be in Staten Island, stapleton, he lived in 45. He came up to me. He showed me the New York Post article. He said yo, the feds just locked your brothers up. I'm like what? He showed me the article and I'm reading the article. They had my name in that shit and all these other niggas. I said, wow, these Two days later I'm in the fucking dorm.

Speaker 2:

And she got up from junior mafia. They got locked up for that shoot in that hot 97. We were carrying him. He was my bunkie, me and him. We was in Wyoming together, we was cooking together and I was on the bunk sleep. I was on the top bunk, I was on 49 top, he was on 49 bottom. I was sleeping and I woke up the police was hitting my bunk with the nightstick because anybody know attitude is right across the street from wyoming and the police that work in attica they work over there also. So they carry nightsticks because it's a medium but it's more like a maximum security because everybody that comes from attica goes right over the wyoming.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and the blood niggas in there was on demon time. Them niggas was cutting everything moving. There was no prince living in there, no latin kings, no nietzsche, no dominicans, no, none of that. That. That wasn't happening. If you came in there and you looked at suspect was running you out and was talking about oh, you got a shot, you know, was getting at you so and she gutted, was correct and the didn't with him, I, I and I didn't even know who he was at first until told me, oh, that's biggie's man, that's Biggie's man, that's the nigga from Junior Mafia, oh, that's the nigga that was at Hot 97. That nigga was shooting at Capone and O'Reagan and all them niggas. So I'm like, okay, I don't give a fuck, I get busy too. So, man, it was bunky. So eventually we started talking on whatever the case would be. We started cooking. Long story short, the police cut in my bunk. I'm asleep Next thing, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we just got disconnected there, but you were saying you was in your bunk and the police came back to you, I believe.

Speaker 2:

Yeah. So the police came in my bunk, hit my bunk with a nightstick and I jumped up. I jumped over the top bunk and I squared up with the nigga. I'm like yo, what's up? The police was like yo, you want to go to the hospital? Because I will fuck you up right now. You better put your hands down. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. So he said yo, you need to pack up. You got to go to R&D, you got to go to court. So I packed all my shit up, or whatever the case may be, I go to R&D.

Speaker 2:

Next day, the jail bus comes from Attica, I get on the bus from Wyoming, or whatever the case may be. There was niggas from Attica on the bus. We go to downstate, I get to downstate. That was like that was Tuesday, wednesday. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. So Wednesday comes, they call me. I was the G1. Sixth cell, okay. So the they come. They call me. I was in G1. Six cells, okay. So the police called me. He was like oh, you gotta go to not orientation, but you gotta go to whatever the fuck. That shit was called Like it's an intake, yeah, intake, it's an intake.

Speaker 2:

I see the US Marshall niggas standing there. There was one big black white boy. There was one big black dude and one big-ass white boy. So they was like listen, we need you to take your gold teeth out of your mouth. This and the third bop-de-bop, bop-de-bop, my gold teeth don't come out. And they was like you need to take that ring off. I said no, this is a wedding band, but it wasn't a wedding. They lock me up.

Speaker 2:

So I get down to fucking to the courthouse at Cabinet Plaza. They fingerprinted me and when I looked at the paperwork it said cocaine conspiracy. So I'm like nigga, I don't be selling them fucking drugs. What the fuck are they talking about? So then, when I go in front of the judge, I see the lawyer. He's standing out there. Then I look, I see the US attorney and I said, oh shit, this fucking bitch. And she's looking at me like yeah, remember me. She hands my lawyer the indictment. My lawyer gives me the indictment. I fold this shit up. I got the shit behind my back. I put it in my pocket. So there was, like all the defendants, already in state custody. They remanded me with no bail.

Speaker 2:

I get into the holding cells. I'm looking at the indictment I said oh shit, this motherfucking Ember set niggas up. So when I get to MDC, everybody's already there. My brothers are there, junie, my co-defendants, my cousins Everybody's already at MDC, or whatever the case may be. So niggas go to court. Everybody know what happened the nigga Preem Ghostface killer from his cousin that was my quote. He was all in there. Everybody already knew it was the nigga ember. I call the nigga ember. I said yo, bro, I see you, that's how you giving it up. You set niggas up with the police and this was on the jail phone. He goes oh, what are you? What are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. I said yo, you's a fucking rat ass, nigga. I hang up the phone.

Speaker 2:

Two days later I'm in the fucking cell. They wake me up 4.30 in the morning. You got to go to court. I said go to court. What the fuck am I going to court for? I said I'm not supposed to go back to court until March 9th.

Speaker 2:

Niggas call me to court, the fucking US Attorney, the ATS agents and the lawyers down here to listen. They're like we have a recorded phone conversation between you and Ember Mimini and he states that you threatened his life. I said first of all, if you heard the conversation, I did not threaten his life. I just asked him why the fuck did he do what he did? That's not threatening anybody. And they told me if you contact him again, there's gonna be a superseded indictment, straight up and down. They said Do not contact him ever again, do not contact him and do not contact me weeks. I said you know what? Okay, no problem. So two months after that this is now that was March, april, we're going into May. So I was calling my lawyer. The lawyer I had, and the lawyer I had was the same lawyer that was representing J-Lo when Puffin got locked up for shooting up that club in New York Club New York or whatever.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

So I'm calling this nigga, telling this nigga, you need to come up to NBC, I need to meet with you. But I see Bob, this nigga has not been answering my phone calls. So I wrote the judge a letter and I said listen, I do not want this guy as my attorney because he was a fucking 18B legal aid lawyer. I said I do not want this guy as an attorney. He do not have my best interest at heart as an attorney. So I went to court on a Friday. They woke me up and said you got to go to court. When I went to court I ran into one of my other court and this rat ass nigga named fucking Fabian, old crackhead nigga. He didn't have nothing to do with anything and I'm not trying to say that nigga rat, but they got niggas a fucking rank and I think it wasn't doing that was fucking smoking crack. He was taking three bombs and he smoked up his honey and go knock off the other two honey. But come to find out he was down there already fucking giving it up. So anyhow. So when I get down to the ballpens I see the nigga at South. I walk into the ballpens. He like yo spree what's up. I said what's up? He like yo, I got that statement you gave the police. I said statement. I said what the fuck is you talking about? Then they go one in his. The nigga fucking pulled out the shit from the US Attorney, the witness list. He was starting to shout.

Speaker 2:

At Monday I said nigga, I don't got nothing to do with that. I said yeah, they put my fucking name on there, nigga, but I'm not coming to the fucking court telling on you the fuck is you talking about? He said oh, nah, because the nigga ever kept saying yo, that nigga sprayed. I said nigga, I just got here, nigga, I was up north. Nigga, what the fuck do I got to do with any of that, nigga? I said nigga, if I was gonna tell when I was fucking facing that time, you don't think I would have told on you to get up out of that even after you cut me, nigga. So, like, what are you talking about? He was like you know what? I never thought about that Because the white nigga was giving him money, putting money on his books, taking care of his mom. So he didn't even look at it like that until I said that.

Speaker 2:

So, long story short came that Monday and there was a case. There was a nigga named Bloody Hatchet from East New York. He was out there running what? Locke's laughing at me? You can look on YouTube. He just died a couple months ago. I was locked up with him. I want to beat the shit out of that nigga. We was in the same cell Me and him got into it or whatever. So the nigga threw a bag of rice and tried to slap me and me and him started scrapping. So one of his co-defendants went to court and seen SI and SI was like yo, here goes my discovery from court. He said yo give this to the nigga, spree. Tell Spree to make copies, but I need this shit back. So he said the next time one of the homies come to court I'm going to be on trial. Whoever any of the homies come to court, just tell Spree to get on the paperwork and I'll get it from them, no problem. So the dude, come back. It was a nigga named AI. He came back, gave me the paperwork.

Speaker 2:

The next day I went to the law library. I was in 5 South in the library. Everybody know NBC in the old building. The law library is on the fifth floor. So if I'm in 5 South, when you come up the elevator I can see you going to the library. So, long story short, I got the paperwork, or whatever the case might be. So what I did was I seen this. I showed the to the big damn and this is my brother dutch and I showed it to pj. So for pj to talk about. He didn't know emma was hot. You knew emma was hot and pj. You was hot because when I got up there, man came up to me and they was telling me yo, your man, they throw that four-eyed with the glasses. Yo, that is a rat that been going to court more than Jason Williams.

Speaker 2:

I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, oh yeah, that light-skinned nigga with the gold teeth. I don't know where he at, but in broad daylight, the nigga. He got to a shootout with some quick nigga. Nigga almost shot a little baby and that's exactly what almost happened. A little girl almost got shot in the head in the fucking bassinet. So I'm like, how the fuck do these niggas know this? These niggas don't know me.

Speaker 2:

So a nigga Big Den come over there fishing for information and I already knew what time it was. I'm like yo, den, why are you here? I didn't even know Den was in there. I'm like, what are you doing here? Why are you here? The fence locked you up. I said last. I remember I seen some shit in the newspaper when I was up north when you had the black what do you call that shit? The stocking cap on your head. You got locked up with some nigga that was in the back of the ambulance and he pointed you out and you got locked up. You were supposed to go up north for that shit. I'm like what are you doing in the feds? Oh nah, I didn't even go up north. They came and got me from the outlet. So right there, my attendance already went up.

Speaker 2:

And then the nigga D-Rock, that was Puffy and Bodyguard. He came over to me. He told me he like yo, that nigga Big Dog. He said yo. He said I don't know you, but I heard about you. He said yo, I know mad niggas from Staten Island. I know that nigga Big Gun. I was up north from Franklin when Biggie first caught that gun case. I'm the one who took that gun case so Biggie could get on. He said I know the nigga Big Gun name in the whole nine yards. Put his whole government out there. He was like yo, that nigga big dog, that niggas a rat, you better watch that nigga and that, and that's what he said. And there was a couple other niggas from the harbor that was in and they were coming over soon. It was like yo that nigga said to listen to a drop and what you talking about and and see who you was bond.

Speaker 2:

Those guns from the forest happened on my forest Avenue. I'm sending myself nigga, what's nobody buying, no guns from nobody in on Forest Avenue. Nigga you fishing. So what happened was I want to get to argument with the nigga PJ. And so the nigga PJ goes out the court. One day he comes back. I say yo, nigga, why are you going to court? And nobody else going to court? Oh, I'm going to my parole hearing. I spit right now nigga face that niggas On me. Nigga spit back on my face and the police pushed the nigga through the door and slam the door. He went back to the other side of the fucking jail. Now, mind you, already that showed him you. I already even showed him. Give me a nigga Big Dan. Big Dan was like oh, this ain't true. I said Big Dan, look. I said ever told on me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, brother, your phone is going like in and out again. All right. Hold on hold on hold on hold on.

Speaker 2:

Can you hear me?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I hear you clear.

Speaker 2:

Okay now I got the phone to my ear, I had you on speakerphone. So, long story short, when I gave the nigga Den and PJ the paperwork, nigga Den was like oh, that's not true. When you've seen the paperwork, the nigga Enver told on me Big Den, london CLR, mustafa Muhammad from New Brighton, and it was somebody else, I don't remember offhand. He told on somebody else and SI. He said that we were all bloods, we were all under SI, we were out there selling guns and we were selling drugs to New Brighton and the Stapleton. And when I showed that shit to Big Dan nigga, big Dan, and this is on my dead brother, oh, that's not true, that's not true, this ain't real US Attorney. I said you don't see that stamp right there. It said US Attorney, eastern District, ny. It had the month on it with the year and it said Government Evidence Exhibit A Nigga. You've seen that shit, bro.

Speaker 2:

And so for PJ to sit there and be on your podcast talking about all niggas there? No, pj, you knew you knew PJ. You knew PJ. You knew PJ Cause you told too PJ, cause you pled guilty March 2004 as soon as you got into the feds and you didn't get sentenced to June 2006. So you told nigga there's no way in hell. You pled guilty and you sat there 16-17 months Waiting to go to court to get sentenced. Nigga, you told, and I know for a fact. He told on Waco. He told on Plot. He told on Uncles. He told on Plot. He told on Uncles.

Speaker 1:

He told on Hoff he told on Nitty, he told on all of them. Niggas. I spoke directly to you know some of Waco's people and I spoke to somebody that did two and a half years with Waco and they read all of Waco's paperwork and they testified that you know PJ wasn't on none of Waco's paperwork.

Speaker 2:

Listen, I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to tell you is this when I say PJ told on them.

Speaker 1:

PJ was in the spot with Waco.

Speaker 2:

No, no, listen, listen. You don't understand what I'm saying. So this is what you got to understand. When you're in the feds, they do some shit that's called the proffer meeting. So when PJ went to the proffer meeting, pj told on him this is what I'm saying. I'm not saying PJ took the stand on him. I'm not going to say he did, because I know he did, but he went to the proffer meeting and he went down there.

Speaker 1:

So when you go to a proffer meeting is and just because he went to a proffer meeting doesn't mean it was accepted.

Speaker 2:

But even though he went to a proffer meeting. No, no, no, no, no, Listen, listen listen, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2:

Listen, I understand what you're saying, but what I'm trying to explain to you is this PJ was facing 10 years on that bid. He did 26 months time served. So what I'm trying to explain to you is this PJ went down to a proper meeting, right? So when you go to a proper meeting, they're gonna ask you everything that you did, what did you that you did? We wanna know everything that you did, everything that's not in this indictment what you did. Did you ever kill anybody? Did you ever do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? Did you do this? So what I'm saying is when PJ went down there to that proper meeting cause he was going to court Monday, wednesday, thursday, if you cooperate, you don't go to court on a Friday. Everybody knows that if you snitching, you're not going to court on a Friday and we're co-defendants, we're on the same floor. You across the hall from me, nigga, you going to court and you coming back ducking in coming from court, and not only that. All these niggas were saying oh yeah, pj told them. Some nigga named Rude Boy. Some nigga named Ninja. Oh, some nigga named this, some nigga named this, some nigga named this, and I'm saying you niggas, is from Brooklyn. How the fuck you know these niggas from Staten Island.

Speaker 2:

So when I confronted the nigga PJ about the shit, we got to the argument when I spit on him and then he spit on me, the nigga turned around him and the nigga big Dan called the U S attorney's office and told him that I was threatening PJ and that I was threatening to get him killed. And I was telling everybody up there on the floor what is that he was cooperating. I kid you not. After that shit happened about 25 minutes later I was in my bunk. They came in there, woke me up, pulled me outside, handcuffed me and sent me to the box and they put a separation on me. So when I got to the box, my brother, cecil, was up there in the box and I told Cecil, yo, that nigga PJ, that nigga Den, x Y, z, y, z, y, z, y, z Y Z Y, whatever the case may be that nigga Den was in there trying to tell him all Ronnell and him. But when Otis hit that nigga with the mop stick and knocked his teeth out and Den fucked him up. They couldn't use him no more. They couldn't use him as a witness because of what happened. So they couldn't use him. So they sent Den back up there. So he got Tom Serd from being locked up in the fence because basically he was in charge with no crime. So he went back to downstate, signed out and then released him.

Speaker 2:

Pj got sentenced to time served and I text you my indictment number and I even called my lawyer, this nigga there and pick up, and as soon as he calls me he sends me that indictment. I'm going to send it to you. Pj's name is on that indictment. Pj is number 17 on that indictment. It said Morris Fuller, pj's power judge. So for him to sit there and tell you he was in there on a rent. You wasn't in there on no rent, nigga. You was telling him. And not only that.

Speaker 2:

I seen the nigga PJ one day in probation in Brooklyn, right there on Cabin Plaza, and he came back out there from seeing his PO. His PO name was Shadel. It was me and the nigga Sha Boo. We were sitting out there in the lobby waiting to see the parole officers, the probation officers, and his PO name was Shadel and he told PJ. You better get in touch with the ATF boys or they fuck around and lock you up. I'm not going to tell you again.

Speaker 2:

And niggas was looking at that nigga and, as a matter of fact, and the nigga Jeter was there also, jeter from Stapleton, he was there in probation also and niggas know that shit. So for him to sit there and say he didn't know, emma was telling you know, emma was telling nigga. And then Emma was telling. And not only that, I sent the paperwork to niggas out in the street and what I did was when I sent that shit out from NBC, I put PJ's name and ID numbers on this shit so if he got intercepted it would have come back to me. I sent that shit to that nigga Evie. I sent that shit to that nigga Fredo. I sent that shit to that nigga Maul from Stapleson from 27. I sent that shit to Beanie and them niggas. I sent that shit to all the niggas. So them niggas knew that nigga PJ was telling and niggas knew that nigga was telling and niggas were scared to say something to that nigga. And when a nigga did say something to him.

Speaker 2:

The nigga didn't fuck around and knock the nigga out, bro. So for PJ to sit there and say all that shit, oh nah, I didn't know nothing about that. That suburban was why I didn't know. Nigga, you was out there fucking with him and even if you go on Ember's old MySpace page, you Google that nigga named Ember Mehmeti, m-e-h-m-e-t-i, you're going to look, you're going to see a picture. They was right there in Arlington. It was him, pj, and the nigga, big Dan. They were all in a picture together. Big Dan had on a brown shirt with some rhinestones on it, with some black pants, and he had that chain on that PJ was wearing, which was the white boy ember chain. The was all gonna put you together. So, pj, you could say that because you know, you told, you know, you told, you know, you told.

Speaker 2:

And that's why, everywhere you went, when looked at your id number and it was like hold on how you went here in 2009 with a 70804053 number. That means you got locked up in 2003. You had to have another case because when you go on the feds, you keep the same id number. So my number was 70845053. That was from 2004. This is 2025. So if I was to get locked up in the feds right now and they can see that number, they would say yo, that number seemed like 2002, 2003, 2004. Oh, you was in the feds before, so so what are you in here for now? Okay, well, you got 30 years on this case, but you got an old ID number, so let me see your paperwork from that case.

Speaker 2:

And PJ was in there telling niggas oh, I'm here on the violation. Like, come on, bro, stop it bro. Like seriously, stop it nigga. Like, own up to your shit. Yeah, you was out there getting a little money and you was doing this and doing that. Okay, granted, I'm not going to take that from you, but my thing is, at the end of the day, own up to your shit, nigga. Own up to your shit, nigga. So stop sitting there acting like you cared about Dan and all that, because we all know that's far from the truth.

Speaker 2:

And now you fucking hiding out in Maryland. Why you ain't come back up to New York, nigga. Huh, how you got for wrote to an Airbnb, nigga, you sound stupid, nigga. You can't home out the box, nigga. You can't home out the box, nigga. And I know for a fact you got checked in and rave work Cause when niggas wrote niggas up there and gave them your information, niggas hit niggas back. Yo now nigga checked in. We was about to get at that nigga. He checked in. Niggas pressed him. He checked in. You know he wrote a book right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we all know about that bullshit-ass book Life as a Rock Boy. He was in the pictures with Tone and T and all them niggas. You know, bro, listen them. Niggas know that nigga's a rat and niggas even said that shit. They're like yo bro, we didn't know he. He making it seem like niggas was siding with him. That's not the fucking truth. That is far from the fucking truth. So niggas know about that little fucking comedy book he had his little dust head nephew fucking published while he was sitting in jail.

Speaker 2:

Like, come on, bro, like niggas already know, listen man. I'm telling you, man that that nigga's a bozo bro and that he calls you a rat in the book. He calls you and your brother a rat in the book. Yeah, yeah, I mean listen. Tell me why I'm not surprised, bro. Tell me why I'm not surprised, nigga, who the fuck I told on nigga? Who the fuck I told on who my brother told on? My brother did 10 years but he told Like, really, nigga, like come on now bro. Like stop it, pj, knock it the fuck off bro. Knock it the fuck off nigga. Knock it the fuck off, nigga, nigga. When all that shit was going on, when all that shooting shit was all this and them, nigga? I was already sitting up north, bro, that shit had nothing to do with me. I was on four counts on that night man. Three of them counts got dropped, nigga. So what the fuck is you talking about, pj? So stop it, bro. Like stop it. Only only thing that nigga doing is deflecting bro so he can sit there. Yo, that nigga, this, that nigga this. Yeah, okay, pj, save it. Because at the end of the day, bro, you know, you told nigga and I don't even give a fuck that you told at the end of the day because that's something you got to live with.

Speaker 2:

But now, all of a sudden, you did a little 15 years and you tried to tell on that case and it didn't work. And the white boy tried to tell and it didn't work. Because I know for a fact, because my cousin Brittany, me, her sister, her boyfriend, her baby father got locked up with them, niggas and Ember. And PJ told him we're gonna snitch on y'all, niggas, we're gonna take care of y'all. Just take that 10 years, that 20 years, we're gonna take care of y'all. And that nigga said nigga, niggas. And he told and he fucking got out. He told and he fucking got out with Tom Serv.

Speaker 2:

So like, come on now, man. So come on, everybody's just making up this shit against you. Like come on, bro. Like stop it man. Like seriously, bro, stop it. At the end of the day, I don't even give a fuck, nigga. Seriously, you a grown-ass man, you home, take care of your responsibilities, niggas. Go get a job, go get a fucking 401k, nigga, build for your future.

Speaker 2:

You out here talking this on the rock boy. This nigga, you living in past tense, you talking about some shit that happened 30 years ago, nigga, you in there fucked up eating crackhead soups the whole time, nigga. So stop it, bro. So stop it. Now you get out and you call yourself trying to starve some shit, but then you hide it. Like, come on, man, so you can sit there and talk about oh, this nigga's a rat, that nigga's this. You can say that shit, pj, suck my dick, nigga, suck my dick, nigga. And you already know, if I ever see you, nigga and that's on my dead brother, dutch nigga I will fucking smack dog shit out. You, nigga, I don't give a fuck, nigga, you, I don't give a. And you could be armed or not on either way out of here. You know you told so go suck a dick. So you sitting there telling all these is a rat.

Speaker 3:

You know you were right and your man is a rat and you know it.

Speaker 2:

I don't give a fuck nigga Nigga. Big Dan Jermaine Dickinson, he a fucking rat and that's on my dead brother, he a fucking rat. And any nigga who got a problem with it nigga. When nigga see me walking around the state he say run up nigga, run up nigga, because your family been telling since back in the days Nigga run up nigga, anybody run up nigga. Niggas already know what it is. Nigga run up, nigga run up, nigga run up. I will let you the fuck out nigga run up nigga. And I ain't even trying to sound tough, nigga, I'm that tough and I'm that pussy. Run up nigga. Anybody approach me nigga niggas know what it is. Brother, fuck out of here man. Niggas already know what it is. Nigga, nigga Run up nigga. Niggas been through that shit, bro. Niggas know that Niggas were scared to death for that nigga. All the niggas were shook of that nigga out there. Oh nah, I know who you're telling, but I ain't gonna say nothing to that nigga, though I don't want no problems with that nigga.

Speaker 2:

I'm man that nigga CLR, clr was on a Rikers bus crying when he heard the nigga Dem was telling he was on the bus crying the nigga Stacks. God bless the dead. The nigga Dem pushed out the window Darren Dodd, nigga Stacks, london's homeboy. Everybody know who Stacks is. Go look at the Ghostface Killer, the Mighty, healthy video. He was standing right there with the fucking scarf on his head with the navy blue jacket standing right next to Ghost. Anybody who don't know go look that nigga up. But everybody from Staples who know Ben pushed that nigga out the window and killed him because he called Den of Right. Come on man.

Speaker 1:

He pushed him out a window and killed him.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he pushed the nigga out the window and he broke his neck. Man, that was right there on the corner of fucking Gordon and Hutchins Street and that little yellow, fucking that little yellow house building right there, right around the corner from the old criminal court.

Speaker 1:

And what happened? Again, he got arrested for that. What happened?

Speaker 2:

Nah, he didn't get arrested for that shit. Then pushed that nigga out the window. He fell out there. There was all of this smoke and dust. Then pushed that nigga out the window and he fell out the window and broke his neck. Nobody window and he fell out the window and broke his neck.

Speaker 2:

Nobody ever got charged for it. No, because when the police came over there they found that nigga dead over there two days later. Everybody that was up there in that motherfucking room and house ran the fuck up out of there. But everybody said Den did that shit Because he confronted Den Like yo, den use a fucking rat, you run around talking shit, nigga, use a fucking rat. And nigga Den pushed that nigga out the window and he broke his neck, killed him. Come on, man knew that, bro, niggas knew that. And they found that dead two days later, right there. Come on, man, niggas, niggas, do that. Man ain't.

Speaker 2:

Nobody got no reason to lie and you can call that little boy power just man. Because I got something to say to him. You wasn't on no written, you sitting here lying. You got something to hide because I'm gonna get that indictment from my lawyer and I'm gonna send that to you. So I want to know how you was on the red. You was number 17 on that indictment and you only have one count. You only have one count on there conspiracy to uh distribute uh drugs, drugs from drug trafficking, and. And you told nigga what the fuck is you talking about? So you want to sit there and say, oh, this nigga's a rat, this nigga's a rat. Nigga PJ, suck my dick. Nigga, suck my dick. Nigga, fuck out of here. Man, call that fucking rat-ass nigga. If you can even get in touch with him, he probably ain't even going to fucking answer. Yeah, he hasn't been answering me.

Speaker 2:

You know, fucking bitch-ass nigga. Niggas know that nigga's home bro and he know. And I don't even give a fuck, bro. At the end of the day I don't care bro. That shit don't got nothing to do with me, that ain't none of my business.

Speaker 2:

Whatever you did, whatever decisions you made, you want to get out you in that little bum-ass picture with them jail sweatpants on that you cut into shorts you some money, nigga, but you walk around with some jail shorts on, nigga, like, really, like, really, nigga. Anybody that been in the feds know you buy great sweatpants and you cut them shit and you make shorts out of them. Nigga, those are jail shorts. We had on With them, bullshit-ass Nike Shox or whatever you was wearing, nigga. So stop it. You talking all that money shit, living in the past, nigga, knock it the fuck off. I want to know why you ain't come back to Staten Island. That's what I want to know, why you ain't come back to Staten Island. Oh, I'm in an Airbnb, oh, really. So federal probation paroled you to an Airbnb, nigga.

Speaker 2:

Suck a dick man. You can say that shit. You can talk all that hot shit, pj. You a bitch nigga, you a bitch nigga. And I live out in Jersey, nigga, so we can meet on neutral territory and get it shaken, nigga for the whole world to see. And Elliot, you can come there and let the cameras roll and let shit play out. And let shit play out and let the best man win. Because I know that pussy nigga can't beat me. Because I know that nigga full of shit, I know he full of shit. That nigga talk a good one. That nigga talk a good one, nigga.

Speaker 3:

I would love to host a LFTG ruffle battle in the jungle between a few fellas listen, let me tell you I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2:

You can give us pipes, bats, sticks, brass knuckles, scissors, kitchen knives, and let niggas go at it like that movie, the Condemned. Let niggas go for what they know Livestream. Let niggas go for what they know Blood everywhere. Niggas getting hit in the head with locks. Niggas' eyes hanging out. Nigg. Everywhere niggas getting hit in the head with locks. Niggas eyes hanging out. Niggas jaws broke everything. Niggas fighting to the death on some mark henry. Yeah, that not about that, bro. You sit there and you go high behind your little phone. You little four-eyed looking like where's waldo? What's your baby mom's? Looking like a aunt eating that. Just like a roach. She like that shit from the orkin commercial, that fucking roach that be in the back of the pickup truck, nigga just for the record.

Speaker 3:

Just for the record lftg does not condone any violence yeah, I did it and I understand that.

Speaker 2:

No, no, no doubt I understand that. But he talking all this crazy shit like he ready to go out and fight to the death, nigga, we could do it. Nigga, I don't give a fuck, nigga. I just turned 46, nigga, I lived long enough already, nigga, it don't even matter, no more, nigga. And I'm not even involved in none of that street shit. Neither am I, nigga. I work, I pay my taxes, I mind my business, nigga. Yes, sir, you want to get on here talking all that nonsense, nigga, whatever you think you want to do, and then they got to be in those islands. You want to talk, we can mediate this shit out, and then you just going to get hit with an open hand smack right after nigga. Fuck that, nigga, straight up. And you did tell on the nigga un, nigga, because I was on the phone with Mushy prior to this conversation, nigga, and Mushy was trying to holler at you but you got him blocked also.

Speaker 1:

You bitch ass, nigga. Uh, you said who told on the nigga pj.

Speaker 2:

He the one who got on that one to three back in the days and I was talking to mushy on the phone not long ago before I spoke to you and mushy was trying to holla at that nigga and pj didn't pick up.

Speaker 2:

Pj got the nigga blocked yeah and that nigga mushy Mushy was pissed. That nigga sounded ecstatic. He like yo, that fucking faggot ass, nigga. Yo, that's my worst fear. I'm telling you Listen, Mushy, you don't need no explanation. At the end of the day, you know that nigga is all chatty patty. That's what that nigga do. Niggas don't even call that nigga Power Jeffs. Niggas call that nigga peanut bun and jelly. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Come on, man, but whatever. But anyhow, listen, it's been good talking to you, man. You got any inquiries, any rebuttals? Feel free to call me back, bro, and if I'm at work and I can't pick up, leave me a voicemail. I'll definitely get back to you, but as soon as my lawyer Send that indictment, I swear to God, I'm gonna send that shit to you. So if you want, email me or text me your contact information and I'll get that shit right to you.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, as soon as you get it, you holler at me LFTG. Oh, no, no, no.

Speaker 2:

I know, I know I definitely got you. I know I definitely got you, I definitely got you. There's no A's, f's, no, no, I got you, bro, even if I got to go out to Staten Island and

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