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Live From the Feds: Trag Speaks on Loyalty, Lyrics & The Rap Act

Elliott Carterr Season 2 Episode 39

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The line between storytelling and evidence gets tested when prosecutors treat rap like sworn testimony. In this episode, Elliott Carterr sits down with Trag, calling in from a federal facility in Philly, to unpack the slow grind of pre-sentencing, the PSI process, and why the Rap Act could mean the difference between a fair trial and a narrative stacked against an artist.

This isn’t spectacle — it’s a close look at how daily life on the unit, staffing shortages, and bureaucratic delays shape a person’s outlook while the system decides their future.

Trag breaks down the facts: no recovered weapons, no DNA, no gunshot residue on his clothing — just lyrics used as evidence. We dive into how prosecutors frame bars as confessions, how jurors can misread persona as fact, and why reforms to protect artistic expression matter for anyone who values free speech.

There’s more here than law and headlines. Trag speaks on loyalty that shows up with deeds, not posts. He talks about supporting his daughter, honoring lost loved ones, and holding peace even when rumors fly. We keep it honest about who checks in during the hardest stretches and why clout isn’t a plan.

By the end, you’ll understand the PSI, the stakes of the Rap Act, and the human cost of turning art into evidence. Listen, share with a friend, and if this moved you — tap subscribe, drop a review, and pass the petition link along so the people who shape the rules hear from you.

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SPEAKER_02:

Reporting live from the gutter. It's your boy Elliot Carter on the phone with my brother Trad, man. What's the word? Talk to me.

SPEAKER_01:

Elliot, what's the word, bro? It's the vibes, man.

SPEAKER_02:

Man, life is life. How's everything with you? How you holding your head?

SPEAKER_01:

No me, I'm cooling, bro. Another day, another situation, man. They got me, they got me out here in Philly right now, man.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, man. How how is Philly treating you?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm I'm cool. You know, I'm cool wherever my feet land at, bro. I'm I'm easy though. Waiting to get this sentence and shit situated.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, what's what's going on with your sentence and why is it taking so long?

SPEAKER_01:

Um my my PSI, my PSI got done, man. My PSI got done for those who don't know what a PSI is. That's a uh pre-sentence uh probation report, whatever the case may be. Anytime you get sentenced or you cop out or you blow child before you proceed the sentence, a probation reporter gotta come do a probation report. Basically detailing in-depth shit, like I mean, from juvenile on up, mental health records, education records, all that shit. So I'm waiting on that to come back uh to to proceed with the sentencing.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. So with cases of your magnitude, is it is it normal for it to be delayed like this?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, you know, this is my first time in the Feds, bro. I've been down like four for some change right now. But from what my lawyer told me here, like, I mean, um certain certain individuals that he seen, like uh world from from out in Brooklyn and shit. Uh he was he he was waiting.

SPEAKER_00:

This call is from a federal prison.

SPEAKER_01:

He was waiting for his PSI for a little while before he got sent. A lot of a lot of people shit, but like I said, man, huh? Here, bro. I mean, no mystery stint ain't ain't no funny money over here.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So what's your uh what's your day-to-day looking like? Like, are you on like full lockdown? Do you get to move on?

SPEAKER_01:

Nah, nah, it depends, because this fed shit, like a lot of the time they be short staffed and stuff like that, like especially with the government shutdowns and stuff that they be talking about, like all that shit affects us because we in a federal jail, so they depend on the government to pay them. So if the government was to shut down, we'll be locked down nine times out of ten because of a shortage of staff and shit like that. But for the most part, shit be regular. I mean, it'd be it'd be regular days over here. Uh regular day over here, we pop out 6.30, 7 in the morning. We out to like 3.30, lock back in at 3.30, pop back out 5.30, lock back in like 9.15, 9.30, somewhere around there. We on a unit all day though. Like we don't lead a we don't lead a we don't lead a unit and shit like that. That's shit whack.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a pre-trial, it's a pre-trial jail. Like, and and and when you hit the spots and shit, then you could go different, I mean different units and all that and shit like that. Like the yard is on a unit, like it's it's it's a rec deck, like a half a gym.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, okay, got you. I mean, yeah. Do you have like a a job or anything?

SPEAKER_01:

Nah, unfortunately not over here. But you know, I ain't trying to be over here sweeping up with cupcakes anyway. I'm regular. I'm coolin'.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I feel you. I feel you.

SPEAKER_01:

What's up with this rap act shit though? I see that you made that post about that rap accent, man. You got you got you gotta let the people know what's going on with that rap act shit, man. Free track. Free track hope, man.

SPEAKER_02:

Like shit.

SPEAKER_01:

We need we need them petitions for that, man.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and you know, I'm gonna put the I'm gonna put the link in this uh in this in this interview, and uh right now they had 97,000 signatures, so you know everybody, if you agree with the petition, you could click the link below and uh, you know, sign and and and help somebody help somebody that uh is incarcerated for for something that they shouldn't be, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

You're telling people you're telling people shit that they're gonna have to double back and go to the site, which is your trickery because you trying to get more motherfuckers to come visit the site. But basically, uh for those for those that don't know, I mean, the the rap act is restoring artistic protections. It's an act that's uh basically supposed to help artists that's dealing with the judicial system, utilizing our words, weaponizing our words, as Elliot said, against us in courts and stuff like that. Like, Elliot, um, you just you just you just wrote an article about me on the website, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, absolutely. You want me to read the rap act?

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, no, no. You could you could you could do that on your own time, or I mean, what you know, my time is limited, I mean. Absolutely. But um, more so, I'm just trying to give people a first hand understanding of what it is. I mean, it's basically we got our First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and stuff like that. So what they did with me was they didn't have no physical evidence, no weapons was ever recovered, no DNA from any witnesses, um witnesses from any victims was ever recovered. Uh no gunshot residue on my clothing. Mind you, they had my alleged clothing that I wore on both situations, no gunshot residue on anything. Uh no, it was really no physical evidence, bro. Like they they they they relied on shaky eyewitness accounts that the 1-2-0 precinct had convoluted uh information and just pushed the narrative of me being this, you know, menace and all this other shit. And at the end of the day, what they did was use rap lyrics that I wrote or allegedly wrote while I was in prison against me to say that I made self-admitted confessions. Um which I never did. If you go over certain lyrics, like I never sat here and said anything, but that's part of our artistry, you know. Even when you drill rabbing, whatever the case may be, a lot of artists we creativity, you know, people embellish certain things, like, you know, and unfortunately that should just really derive from me being immature and feeding into the drill culture and shit like that, you know, like motherfuckers dissing, so I'm dissing back. But all in all, I ain't have no animosity towards nobody to be even saying certain shit that was read in them in in them rap lyrics. I mean, I'm on some peaceful shit, man. I'm pushing the peace, I ain't in tour with nobody. We gonna clear that shit right now, you heard? I ain't got no beef with nobody.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, yeah, definitely clear the air. But uh just to elaborate on what he's saying, you know, rap artists are storytellers, and uh, you know, rap is entertainment, and you know, their words are being weaponized against them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you could you could you you you could do a separate joint and elaborate on that shit. Um another thing I wanted to tell you too, right?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I fucking coming from my people's, man. I like I I be getting all these weird ass emails and people texting my wife and shit like that, like like, yo, what's up with your man Elliot? Uh uh. Like, bro, respectfully, you my brother. I call you a brother. I understand what I'm saying. Like you know how I'm rocking, bro. But the people I hold dear, you know what I mean, and they know who they are. I mean, like, I don't play about or play with the same way I won't sit here and entertain conversations about you. Like, you know where I stand with Iron Mike, aside from y'all personal issues, like that man helped me maintain employment while I was on parole and gave me my first legit job outside of doing construction work and shit like that, and put me in a position where I can actually make a difference in my community. I mean, I told you personally in our own private conversations, like I salute that man.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01:

Shout out to IM Mike. Um, aside from that, all this other shit you got going on with the bros, I mean, like, I don't know if I don't be reaching out because it don't be really too much to talk about. I mean, with these other niggas, like, ain't too much to talk about.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I'd be saying, bro, like provide a this call is from a federal prison.

SPEAKER_01:

Provide a perform, man. And I ain't saying perform as in promoting any type of violence, like perform, like do acts, deeds. Take care of the dogs. Like, I've been in jail four and a half years now, damn near. Taking care of myself, my daughter, I mean, all of my loved ones, niggas coming fresh home from jail. When I was situated, I made sure niggas was situated. And I'm out in Philly right now, like I was in a box, five months, no ticket, ain't nobody checking in, you know what I mean? Like a lot going on, bro. And ain't no tears from a king, though. You know a nigga ain't gonna cry about this shit. I'ma wear this shit, you know what I mean? But it's just like it be the principle, man. I definitely wanna shed light on, I mean, the younger bros that's out there like thinking this shit 'cause ain't nothing cool about this shit, bro. And all that fake loyalty shit, that fake gang loyalty shit. Gang ain't gang for real, man. That shit a facade. I mean, don't go chasing that shit and find yourself in a fucked up situation thinking these niggas is gonna sit here and take care of your daughter and make sure your wife's good and all this other shit. Cause nine times out of ten, a nigga gonna be trying to fuck your bitch. I mean, walk past your kid and and do all types of weird shit, bro. Ain't no loyalty for real in this shit, bro.

SPEAKER_02:

And and I'm glad that you you you saying that, you know what I'm saying? I'm glad that you you spitting a raw truth. And just to clarify, I want your friends and family and your people to know as well. Like, tax don't be telling me to do nothing to nobody. He he became a big thing.

SPEAKER_01:

Let the ops know that well well the fake the let my fans know that too. I don't got no ops. I call them niggas fans.

SPEAKER_02:

He never tell people why.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't be put that that that be a lot of people uh perception, and that should be crazy. Like, I mean, a lot of motherfuckers was on my dick thinking I'm over here using you to sit here and post it. I don't even be knowing what the fuck is going on. I don't have a phone. That's why they sent me all the way to Philly, so I don't have a phone.

SPEAKER_02:

It's crazy for y'all to even think that man is telling me to do what I'm doing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I wake up, I do what I do, and that's it. I don't report to nobody, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how that go. And a lot of times I don't be knowing y'all are cool with traje or whatever.

SPEAKER_01:

Y'all heard not not to cut you off. How how long we been on, E?

SPEAKER_02:

We've been on 14 minutes.

SPEAKER_01:

And this shit about the click. I heard you just did an um uh interview with my brother Tech Money too, man. Shout out to Tech Mula, man. Shout out to the whole fucking race, I mean, shout out to Cash Mula, I mean, shout out Hell Revival. Free franchise. Free my brother, franchise, my African brother. Shout out to Big Edo, I mean, my only true friend that sit here and make sure I'm situated, I mean, Cartier, um, I mean, oh, oh, oh, all the guys, I mean, love is love, I mean. I ain't I ain't gonna say all the names. The people who feel like they don't gotta pay me homage, who was who they was beforehand. I definitely don't sit here and kick no dirt on niggas' names, you know what I mean? I love y'all too, I mean. At the end of the day, y'all niggas is stars in y'all own right. I don't never sit here and try to clout chase a demon nigga star, man. Be great, you heard? If if you gonna do anything, be great at it. That's my that's that's I mean, that's what I'm on like. That's the words I leave niggas with. I mean, shout out to my daughter, Savannah, feel me. Everybody that lost somebody, shout out to my pops, long live Chino, Chino Mafia. Niggas know what's going on, man. Long live Dobby Dah, my son's birthday coming up. I mean, and this is one of many interviews, man. We're gonna touch bases soon, man. L you know the vibes, bro. You heard tap in.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, sir, you know the vibes, bro, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Shout out to my wife too, for holding me down for the past three and a half, four years.

SPEAKER_02:

Absolutely shout out to the wife.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm here though, track hole.

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