When the Cheese Is Federal

In this episode of LFTG Radio, Elliott Carterr connects live with Pearlie “Larry Love” Johnson and his people as they revisit Johnson’s 2008 federal trial in the Eastern District of New York and the fallout it created back home.

The conversation centers on Jovane Jenkins, who appeared on the government’s witness list and took the stand during the trial. From there, Larry and the others speak bluntly about what courtroom testimony means in their world — drawing a hard line between “the streets” and “the sidewalk,” calling out what they see as excuse-making, and describing how “paperwork culture” reshapes reputations long after sentencing.

It’s a raw, unfiltered look at how federal trials echo through neighborhoods: loyalty vs. survival, credibility vs. politics, and why one witness’s testimony can divide entire circles for years.

(Note: Characterizations and labels used in the episode reflect the speakers’ views and the public narrative surrounding the case.)

Transcript

Live From The Gutter

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Reporting live from the motherfucking gutter. I'm on in line with my boy Larry Love. He got some shit to say. I'ma just hand him the mic and let him do what he does. Go ahead, Larry. Talk your talk your talk.

Calling Out The Star Witness

Promising Trial Transcripts

Time Served And Street Claims

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Alright, so listen. So listen. Yesterday, right, Juice? I'm a cousin Tombow. He's talking about this nigga Javon, the the the star witness for the prosecutor. Did he feel like he didn't say too much? This nigga never even seen the trial transcripts, right? So what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna order the trial transcripts, and I'm gonna forward this shit so niggas can post them shit on online, whatever, so everybody can see this shit, you heard? Because I'm trying to nigga, I've been in j I've been in jail 20 years, homie, stomping, toes down. This nigga ain't do a day in jail, you heard? So now these fake ass street niggas, they making excuses, trying to make it seem like, oh, he did bad, but he ain't do too bad. What the f if a person comes to court on you and you on trial and the prosecutor put that person on the stand, what is that person, bro?

SPEAKER_03 0:52

That nigga is a fucking rat. A fucking rat is anybody who cooperate with the government and get another man prosecuted behind them bars, you uh.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Hold on, I'm about to put hold on, I'm about to put the Mac boot to be on the phone real quick. Hold on one second.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Hey yo, hey yo, what's the wall, it's the mock, you heard. Hey yo, listen, I ain't gonna lie, gang, like no matter, no matter what, a nigga come to the stand for witness for the prosecutor, whatever it is, he jumped on the stand, you heard. He a rat, homie. And and if a nigga, if a nigga trying to justify that, he's harboring the rat. And I make niggas mice, you heard? Like, real shit. Like, it's no way, it's no way around that, you heard? Like, nigga come to the stand for anything, you heard, like, that nigga's a rat, homie. Like, it's it's it's it's no justification on that, you heard?

SPEAKER_03 1:44

Hey, yo, I'm about to just yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, just to chime into what you say, yo. I just did 18 years. I just came home. I've been home a month now. And from what I see from my perspective out here in these streets, you got a lot of niggas. They like to play this game where they like to say, yo, a nigga ain't telling on me. So, you know what I'm saying? They like to overlook that shit. So you got a lot of niggas out here, this is the game they play. You got a lot of suck ass niggas, they want to be, they want to be acknowledged as gangsters, they want to be acknowledged as everything official, but you can't you can't fall into no category of a real nigga if you associate with a rat. Niggas, the rap is out there, facts.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

This way, this way, this way this coming, you heard. You got the streets and you got the sidewalk, you heard? Like, if that's the case, tell tell niggas, tell niggas walk on that sidewalk and stay off the streets, you heard. Like, it's it's it's it it's that simple, you heard. Like, ain't no justification on he ain't telling me and he nah that shit is a double, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:44

Ain't no fucking justification. Yo, boo to be where you from? Yo, bro. I'm from the Bronx.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

I'm from I'm from the Bronx, you know, I'm from Jackson I heard.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

So you hell yeah, hell yeah. I'll be home soon though, you heard. I got about ninety days left. I'm out of here. Hold on, I'm about to I'm about to put up home you on the phone.

SPEAKER_04 3:06

You gave me Yeah, yeah, we hear you talking.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, man, I've been to trial two times.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

This call is from the federal prison.

Eighteen Years And Street Rules

SPEAKER_01 3:14

I don't know what's going on, but I know when niggas start witnesses and they coerce, they broke and they say this word. The quick word is this he's a p witness for the DA. That means that he's on the DA side. I mean every day. When I'm on trial, he gotta go sit in the DA office and they gotta go coerce him what to say. Like a strip. You say this, I say that, you say this, say that, and that's what they do. He's for the prosecutor, he's not for the defense. That's why they say for the prosecutor. That means he's working with them. That means that he gets around with us. If he's locked up, they give by him compensated by him, situation or that. If you go watch a trial, the the DA gonna be like this. Where do you start working for us? What do we give you for around with? You gotta tell everything you do for him. Yeah, that's a fact. So you go watch the trial, it's gonna come out. They gotta say he's informant. Oh, they gotta come out in the trial, they gotta say it.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Facts. You understand? Facts. Facts. Hello. Yo, I hear you scrap, you got juice brim on the line with you as well, you uh, yo, L, you hear me? At the end of the day, like I was just like I just elaborated on, man. Niggas is out here, right? And you know niggas' story. We got a story to tell. At the same time, though, we got a lot of these faggot ass niggas out here harboring rats, man. Niggas harboring rats because they got money. They harboring rats because you know what I'm saying, they doing something that they could do, but they too lazy to do. Well, you know what I'm saying? They lack up what they could do. But um at the end of the day, scared of this nigga.

Bronx Roots And Release Timeline

SPEAKER_02 4:37

This nigga's like uh uh uh this nigga scared of me, but they scared of him. Like uh, this this one is questioning my motherfucking words. That nigga's a bitch. The niggas, matter of fact, all them niggas can suck my dick. If niggas is making excuses for them, niggas is justifying what that nigga did, niggas is justifying what big den did. All them niggas can suck my dick, homie. Like, we not glorifying no rats. Once you go bad, you bad, nigga. That's what it is, nigga. All them bitch ass niggas out there that when niggas call niggas, don't be picking up their phone, niggas be acting weird and all that shit like that. Them niggas can suck my dick too, you hear.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Fuck them niggas too, you're like, yo, Larry Love, what's Javon? What's Javon's full name? Say it for the record.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Javon Jacobs, J A V O N, J E N K I N S.

unknown 5:25

Okay.

How Prosecution Witnesses Work

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Shit like that. Like, yeah, that that that nigga did bad, man. And he he keep playing. You you keep going to Tone Bone and all this shit. I told Tobone, I don't want to talk about that shit, homie. You supposed to be my blood cousin and and you making excuses for this nigga, homie. That nigga's a rat. If if niggas is scared of that nigga, I'm uh I'ma sh I'ma show a nigga how how how you do a rat, nigga. And well, this shit ain't forever, you hear. Uh-uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna show niggas my body when when I come home. Niggas niggas gonna see what I'm about when I come home. Niggas acting like they forgot or something, like I wasn't out there fucking the streets up or something. Fuck wrong with them niggas out there. Like them them niggas is now, homie. And since we've been in here, what the fuck we've been doing, juice beat? What the fuck we've been doing, shit up here. We been fucking everyone in every public records. We got public records. Pushing that knife, putting that life in, putting that knife in niggas' life. Like, niggas know what's up, homie. Niggas might talk shit, say what it say whatever they gonna say, but niggas know niggas let their nuts hang. Niggas is fucking gangsters, homie. That's a fact. I'm talking about family, fake friends, all of them niggas, homie. Like niggas better stop playing with me before I touch down on straight balls.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Yo, hold on real quick, yo, Larry Love, hold on one quick, Larry Love. Hey, yo, Elliot, yo, for the record, big homie. Our case is a public record, homie. We could Google us. Our case is there, man. Live and direct, man. Niggas like, we did we did that. We do that.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

After we get off the phone, I'ma pull y'all's case on PACE and see what I can find myself.

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Yeah, niggas been crushing niggas, stripping niggas butt ass niggas, carving names to niggas and all that. That shit is niggas be ready to be charged for that. Niggas been doing that. Seeing the niggas out putting that light, oh yo, bro, I'm so tight. You don't even know what you was beat, you heard, bro? But I'm happy you made it home after doing 18 years, you heard. I'm still in struggle, I'm still thugging, I'm still 10 toes down. You already know the vibes, bro. Hey yo loving You already know loyalty. Loyalty. Nigga, I'm I'm a day one loyal nigga, homie. Fucking nigga.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

I'm gonna pick this motherfucker up. I'm ten toes down for my guy, you know.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Yeah. And got niggas, niggas been through niggas acting crazy like like a nigga won't go on their shit. Nah, you know how to do this call.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

Let's from the federal prison.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

If niggas ain't with me, they against me. It's time for niggas to pick a side. I'm drawing a line, nigga. If you feel like that nigga didn't do bad, then fuck you, suck my dick, and all that, and that's what I'm on. If you if you on my side, then then you on a good side, nigga. If you on that side, you then use a fucking rat too to me. That's what it is. But I'm gonna get them I'm gonna get them sentenced transcripts to expose this nigga, homie. Like, uh, I'm so sick of this shit, this shit keep like I I'll be trying to leave that shit alone, you heard? But this nigga just keep popping up, so I gotta put him back in this little rat hole, you heard?

SPEAKER_04 8:14

Yeah, that's a fact, and let me help you with that. As soon as you get them transcripts, you know, send them right to me.

Anger At Excuses And Allegiances

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Like, like, like with Boulder, like come on, my son Boulder sitting in jail behind a fucking rat.

SPEAKER_04 8:26

What what rat what rat is Boulder sitting in jail behind?

Public Records And Case Receipts

SPEAKER_02 8:30

Then nigga Den. He's a fucking he was a fucking rat too. The niggas don't even know, you know what I'm saying? Like, all that my my son got caught up behind all that shit. Like, oh, oh, these niggas glorifying all these rats inside with all these rats, making these fucking excuses for all these motherfucking rats. Niggas riding for niggas not not even knowing niggas. Niggas is fucking rats. This shit's crazy, homie. Like started, bro. Niggas wasn't even made like niggas wasn't even making a day in here with bad paperwork. That nigga would have been sh niggas would've been fired on that nigga and got that nigga all out the way. That nigga's gone. Niggas gone. Gone, finito. Fuck on with these niggas, oh yeah. But niggas is different with this shit, man. Niggas tired, like I I I I got love for the real niggas out there that that fuck with me, that that show me love and all that shit, but niggas that that that's ha that like half stepping with this shit, fuck them niggas. The niggas stuck my dick, huh? Uh huh. That shit be making me tight. That should be making me so tight that I I don't even like doing this type of shit, homie. I don't know nothing about Instagram, Facebook, MySpace, uh, Snapchat, and all that shit, homie. And I I niggas like me, uh I I'm a wild boy, homie. Nigga niggas don't put me in them type of circles to to be in that land, you heard? Because niggas are scared, niggas fear me, homie. You know what I'm saying? You you know how this shit is in here, homie. Like niggas that that these the scary niggas be off to the side doing what the fuck they do, they stay away from niggas like us. Niggas like us that that that buck the system do what the fuck we want. Niggas can't tell niggas like us nothing. Nigga, from yard to yard, stomping, pushing that knife, putting work in, doing what the fuck we want. More I mean like these these niggas better get this shit together and and these fake ass street niggas better niggas acting like they forgot what a rat is. Like, so I I I gotta remind niggas, if you sign with a rat, use a rat too, fuck you.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Facts. Damn. I'm definitely, I'm definitely I'm definitely heavy on the we don't fuck with rats on my Facebook page at asking Brennan, bro, on Facebook. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Yeah, that's right, Juice Biggie. Yeah, that's a fact.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Heavy on it.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

Yeah, homie like I had to I had to like catch myself, homie like that shit was fucking my sleep, uh. Yeah, like then it's it's it's niggas that that that been in the feds from Stanley Allen and all that shit that that that know what's going on, know how this shit go, that know if you take the stand for fucking prosecutor, use a motherfucking rat. Like it's it's no in-betweens on that shit. You don't come to court then. I don't care if they subpoenaed you and all that shit, all that shit is bullshit, nigga. You could have played the fifth. You could have got on the stand and played the fifth. You didn't do that. Fuck out of here. They could've, when he went down there and profit, he went down there and told information. You could have went down there and said, I don't know nothing. He didn't do that. He went down there and started running his fucking mouth.

Lines Drawn And Taking Sides

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Yo, that's what blows my mind about these niggas, right? These niggas will play play Russian roulette with their life in the streets, and then sit in front of a fucking cracker with white with blue eyes, twiddling their thumbs and sell they soul.

SPEAKER_02 12:11

These these niggas snitch on their own, they they snitch on their own self to get free. It's crazy. Fuck snitching on the next nigga, they snitch on their self to get free.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Nah, that's a fact.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

These niggas uh snitch on their own fucking kids. Alright, like, fuck that nigga, fuck his kids. They can suck my dick, his mother can suck my dick, all of them can suck my dick. That's what I'm on. So now we you know when you see me nigga and slit and and be ready. That's it. Facts.

SPEAKER_03 12:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

Hey yo, L L, you hear me? Yeah, I think he might have disconnected facts.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Uh he went off.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Yeah, yeah, you federal reports only 15 minutes.

Plans To Publish Transcripts

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Facts. Hey, yo, we definitely appreciate you giving us the platform so that I'm saying, eh, shit out, man. That niggas wait to be heard because at the end of the day, it's a soft spot in my heart where a lot of niggas is not coming home. Behind these bitch ass niggas who tell them and they go home and want to get back in a mix of niggas being the mix of the streets and shit, only to do it again and jeopardize more niggas. Yeah, and I got no sympathy, I got no sympathy for the niggas who fucks with the rats and they get locked out, they want to sweep fuck rats and do this that like you knew what it was, because niggas be knowing. They play this little game out here, right? But they be like, yo, put it like this, wherever there's smoke, there's fire. You feel what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 13:44

Yeah, that's a fact.

SPEAKER_03 13:45

If you hear from a credible nigga and a credible nigga tell you this nigga not right, stay away from, you stay the fuck away from, but everybody wanna rebut shit. Nah, I'm not he ain't telling me, or I gotta see this. No, where is smoke, there's fire. But credible niggas giving you the hands up, uh, danger then stay away from it. Well, you know how this shit goes.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

Definitely. I'm still recording. Let the people know where they can follow you and get in tune with you at.

SPEAKER_03 14:10

You say you can follow me, man. Ashley Brim. I'm on Facebook. I ain't doing the Instagram right now, but Ashley Brim, man, I'm on Facebook, yo. I ain't hard to find. Heavy on it. You know what I'm saying? We don't fuck with rats, man.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

And facts. We're ended just like that. LFTG radio signing out.